December 8, 2004
The Vines Country Club – The Perry Room
Meeting Time: 5:00 P.M.
Members in Attendance: Al O’Donnell, Gordon Lyons, Wayne Robinson, Joe McHarris, Tom O’Dea, Ron Dillon, Bill Prysi
Minutes By: Terri Melna
Meeting called to order by Wayne Robinson. Terri Melna was introduced as the new Administrative Assistant. Wayne explained there would be a change in the agenda. Coconut Trace which was not on the agenda would be reviewed first.
Meeting Minutes of December 8, 2004
Presentation by: Theresa Artuso, Hole Montes, Inc.
Going for classical Mediterranean style. Casual elegance. Colors, textures and rooflines were discussed. Next to
Marsh Landing entryway. Marsh Landing residents do not want an interconnect. No mixed-use allowed under zoning. Connects on the south end of Walmart parcel. Two entrances. Big box not intention. Parcels G&H to be developed at this point. Size of individual buildings was discussed. DO submitted for infrastructure only.
Intends roadway on south end to extend to Coconut. Road must terminate in a cul-de-sac until such time when it can be connected to future road that will terminate at Coconut.
Lack of connection to
Marsh Landing not in the spirit of the overlay, including a pedestrian connection.
Moved to January 2005 - T-Mobile FM 1046 Estero
Presented last month. Issues with architectural. Had communications with Plaza del Sol attorney. Handed out letter of summary from attorney. Colors were discussed. Possible terracotta or brown roof, walls would be Tumblewood – trim Desert Fortess – chips passed out. Type “S” roof tile, profile or higher with flashing. Not Capri or lower. Flashing black or gray possible. Will present to Plaza del Sol. Gable stucco – not siding. Brackets under balcony recommended. Balconies and dormers added. Landscaping was discussed and grouping of plants along the side. Anticipated Plaza del Sol will coordinate with these colors.
S tile, profile or higher
Brackets under balcony
Fire department wants clearance around hydrants – 7'-6" front and sides and 4’ rear.
Flashing of tile
Increase size and number of dormers
Sign package to be submitted
Recommended to return before EDRC
Fee: None Submitted
Subdivided lot #5. Car wash on west side, east side vacant. Brought photo of colors which included pink roof. Possible to go to terracotta roof and beige building. Neighboring buildings have green roofs. Keystone banding possible around doors. Banding to match roof color. Islands with awnings for vacumns. Awning colors discussed. Owns Performance Car Wash near Lowe’s on US41 & Gladiolus. Signage for the bays was discussed. No neon allowed per code. Landscaping was discussed. Drainage easement and detention were discussed. Question regarding island with ixoras – is this a beverage stand or landscaped island? Dumpster enclosure was discussed. Dumpster access faces Commons Way.
Recommended to return to EDRC next month with colors (paint chips should be brought)
Landscaping needs to meet minimum code. Natural grouping and clustering of sabals on east and west sides in groups of 3, staggered heights, no closer than 4' or more than-8’ apart
Dry detention area to be maintained – recommended cord grass, 2' to 3’ on center. Low maintenance.
Tile – high profile S or better
6” fascia but 8" recommended or better 2 step
Color on awnings
Diamond accents may be installed in lieu of bands on north and south elevations
Colors tentatively OK
Beverage building – what is it? Suggest relocating planting island in north driveway to create a landscaped area on north end of building. Use 5 staggered heights sabal palms with shrubs.
Separate cypress tress from oak trees on south side
Suggest relocating cypress trees on SE & SW sides of retention pond
Suggest some large trees to buffer roof line on west side of lot
Slide dumpster enclosure 5’ to north to create landscape area on south side and plant 3 sides of dumpster
Applicant agreed to check percentage of required trees and palms
Consider cord grass in retention area.
EDRC needs to see tile and color chips.
Signage for building and monument sign on roadway needs to be submitted and reviewed.
Clearance for fire hydrant on corner – 7'-6" front and sides and 4’ rear.
Along north side of Corkscrew Road and east of Sandy Land. In rezoning now. Showroom for contractors similar to Miromar International Design Center. Requested deviation to set back further from roadway. 50’ drainage easement in front. Lake feature. East and west side parcels will fit setback codes. Talking to County regarding hedge in front of lake and relocating. Lining of lake discussed due to build-up of scum and water level drop. Fire department raised concern re tight access for turning radius for emergency equipment between buildings 5&6, 4&6 and 1&6. Coach lamps with brackets for seasonal designer panels were discussed. ECPP outlaws banners. Discussed to do designer panels only internal to courtyard area. Signage packages currently being developed.
Need to return with signage package
EDRC board believes lake front hedge defeats the lake feature and supports relaxing requirement for hedge.
No parking visible through central lake area.
Board supports design latitude for landscaping which may not follow letter of code.
Board supports request for deviation for building setback for this section only.
Board supports integrating water tolerant plantings through detention area at lake edge towards Corkscrew Rd.
Dumpsters to be planted on 3 sides.
Tree sizes minimum 12 to 14’, 2 ½" to 3” caliper and 45 gallon.
Clearance for fire hydrants – 7'-6" front and sides and 4’ rear.
Turning radius for emergency equipment to be reviewed.
Terri Melna has been hired to take minutes. It was decided to use the title of Administrative Assistant rather than Secretary. It was also decided Terri would try to send out draft minutes by end of business Friday after meeting. Members should reply back to Terri by the following Tuesday and letters should go out on Wednesday. Two different distribution lists exist – one for the members and one including members and County/community people who should receive the letters. It was stressed communication between members was important; however, members did not want to be inundated with emails which may be unnecessary. It was decided to summarize each case at the end of that presentation to aid not only the Administrative Assistant but the applicants.
Discussion held regarding the terms “recommended”, “suggested” and “agreed to”.
Application needs to be modified for the following reasons – 1) no letter will be issued unless fee payment has been received 2) Principal (owner of property) or principal’s designee who is authorized to make commitments should appear before EDRC.
Next Meeting: Next EDRC Meeting will be held on Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 5:00 P.M. at The Vines Country Club – The Perry Room